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>On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, Kyaw K. Htut wrote:
>
>> Dear Ko Maung M. Kyaw:
>>
>> Please refer to your comments.
>> I totally agree with your comments on all points.
>> However, I think the idea of bringing up new servers is to ensure =
freedom
of
>> expression for Burmese netizens.
>> I don't think that the comrades, who contributed these servers =
without
>> mentioning their names, have a desire to compete with Burmanet or
>> Maykha-list.
>> Since you may probably know both Burmanet and Maykha have their own
>> moderators: Strider and Tun Myint. Strider is a mercenary on OSI's
payroll
>> and Ko Tun Myint is one of the co-ordinators of Free Burma Coalition. =
So
is
>> FreeBurma owned by Ko Zarni, the founder of FBC. These nets surely
cannot
>> be seen separately from the moderators' political affiliation.
>> Open-Net has no persons nor machines that would temper with your =
views
and
>> news.
>>
>> (I think you should help yourselves in both receiving and reading =
these
>> messages. I also have the problem of filing duplicate messages for I
have
>> four servers now. To delete is an easy thing to do. I can delete at
least
>> 50 messages/minute using pine-mail, an outdated email software. I =
think
it
>> is a personal problem that most Burmese, who started using computer,
>> experience.)
>>
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Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Regarding new Burma Lister-servers proposals....
>
>Hello, Friends;
>
>This is a point of clarification on Ko Kyaw K. Htut's assumption.
>Maykha-l is NOT associated with FBC or any other organizations in its
>function, purpose, and/or work. It is an independent list maintained =
by
>myself and subscribers are free to post anything they like to the list. =
I
>do not get any pay or any benefit except enjoying informing the
>subscribers about what is going on in Burma. Please read maykha-l
>invitation letter which I sent out in Sept 95 when I started the list
>running. It explains how maykha-l was born and where it stands. You can
>get it from maykha-l archive in www.
>
>Yes, I am one of the coordinators of FBC but FBC is not =
institutionalized
>organization, which means no chairman, CEC or alike. Anyone in anywhere
>who lead or coordinate free Burma action can be FBC coordinator. It is =
a
>merely grass-root-actions oriented coalition composed of various local
>action groups. Keep in mind that this definition of FBC is my own and =
Ko
>Zarni or others may not agree with it. But one thing we (FBCers) =
agree
>is that we support any actions necessary that will contribute to =
overthrow
>dictators in Burma except violent actions which can cause killing of
>people of Burma in general.
>
>Ko, Kyaw K. Htut, I would friendly suggest that you learn about what =
you
>are going to claim before you make publicity. It will be helpful to =
save
>our important (including yours) time in spending such a manner.
>
>Yours,
>
>Tun Myint
>
>ps. for the sake of time, I will not participate in this debate. I =
know
>you are busy too and active. I pray for all the success that will =
benefit
>you and humanity.
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To: "Open-Net" <burma-open-forum-list@xxxxxxx>,
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:06:22 -0500
Dear Ko Tun Myint:
I am not making a mountain out of a mole. OK?
My last letter about the servers and the nature of their moderators are =
not
ASSUMPTIONS, but FACTS.
I even forgot to mention Ma Maureen's quote that the so-called Strider =
aka
Patric is a strong supporter of FBC.
I am proud you are open-minded and fully aware of the generation's guts,
compared to other FBC-net-controllers, who enthusiastically moderate the
news and views of others. I even don't necessarily argue with your
assumption about and eqaulization of FBC's movement to that of Mao =
Zedong's
Long March. Assumptions are boundless and futile unless they are put =
into
practice. But unfortunately, all nets become under the supervision of =
an
organization, namely FBC, because of their moderators' political nature. =
It
might be a coincidence. This would be an assumption if I tell you "it =
seems
a well cooridated effort to monopolize the whole nets available for =
Burma
watchers." I didn't say that because I want to know things clearly =
before I
take another step.
That's why I am telling, "These nets surely cannot be seen separately =
from
the moderators' political affiliation. Open-Net has no persons nor =
machines
that would temper with your views and news."
I don't think you, as a reasonable activist, will see Myanmar-Alin,
Botahtung, Khit-Pyaing as separate press-entities from their controllers
SLORC, DAB etc.,.
My last letter merely states my application of analytical and critical
thinking into the situation. I will definitely write what I think when =
things are crystal
clear and put all ill or good-spiritied assumptions about who =
delibrately
want to own revolutionary media like Rupert Murdoch,
All I said, I repeat, are facts.
If you can explain more about Maykha in full details such as:
1. Who and when the idea of giving birth to Maykha-list was introduced? =
(I
seem to know 25% of this)
2. How the idea is materialized, such as who pay for and who provide =
the
service? (I know 50% of this)
3. What are the rules and regulations about the moderation and =
appointment
of the moderator? Specifically, is it a self-appointment or a =
democratic
selection? It is important for us to make a clear distinction between =
the
Maykha and its moderator. (I seem to know 35% about this)
4. Do you think or see or consider any means and ways which can help a
group of well-informed readers like me see Maykha as a separate entity =
from
any institutionalized or non-institutionalized organizations, which have
their own distinct political agenda and vision? (I have a 100% =
foolproof
means if I were you.)
things will be good.
Facts are not accusations nor assumptions.
Take care,
Respectfully,
Kyaw Kyaw Htut
Indiana
**************************************
Doing what you like is freedom.
Liking what you do is happiness.
***********Read Somewhere in India***********
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To: MAYKHA-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <MAYKHA-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 12:22 AM
Subject: [fwd] Burma's Open Forum - List
>Dear ALL:
>
>I received the following message from U Pe M. Tin requesting me to forward
>to Maykha-l. Please contact U Pe M. Tin directly if you have any
>question.
>
>Tun Myint
>
>================================
>
>Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:36:38 EST
>From: UPeMTin@xxxxxxx
>
>Dear Maung Tun Myint,
> I am writing this letter to seek your help as I saw your name along with
>MAYKHA-list frequently. I am 67 years old retired historian. Though I
have
>never been in politics, I came across with some young Burmese students who
>happened to be in exile because of their roles during a decade long
>political struggle for freedom from military dictatorship. I have a great
>deal of respect on these young fellows for their sacrifice and dedication
>on what they believe in. Recently, they explained to me their attitude on
>the censorship of OSI sponsored Burmanet. For me, as an old man, I am not
>in the position to give my view on it. I am just merely listener. They
>also plan to start a new net. They also let me understand their aim. I
>was very impressed for their unselfish attitude because their name will
>not be mentioned at all and the net is supposed to be owned by all
>netters. In this self-serving and self-promoting period, to have a chance
>to meet these kind of young men makes me believe that Burma is not
>hopeless.
> They came to me later to explain what really happened to that new net.
>I shared their frustration and sadness. Oncoming new net news was
>unfortunatedly leaked and one young man who got that news announced the
>existence of net without their knowledge, let alone their consent. Worst
>of all, he pretended as he created this net. It makes them sad,
>frustrated, and devastated. I think they have a very difficult time to
>clarify about this matter since they have no intention to mention their
>names along with the net. Their purpose was to give a net which is owned
>by all netters where new ideas and visions for New Burma will be
>prevailed.
> I put all related pieces which will fall into place. I just want every
>one knows the Burma's open forum is nothing to do with the young fellow,
>named Maung Kyaw Kyaw Htut, who hijacked it as his own. Also I want to
>see this net to be positively successful, serving the needs of new Burma.
> As I am just an outdated nonpolitical old man, if my writing is not fit
>with the new information era, please forgive me.
> P.S. Please don't ask me who those young students are because they never
>have any intention to promote themselves. I will take their names to my
>grave along with me. Please understand me. I think their welcome message
>attached below speaks itself.
>
>I am
>sincerely yours,
>
>U Pe M Tin
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
> BURMA's OPEN FORUM - LIST
>
> Welcome to "BURMA's OPEN FORUM - LIST" net. This net is provided to
>all people who want to express their views and ideas on issues of Burma.
>This net is not affiliated to any particular organization or any group.
>Therefore, there is no strings attached to it. There is no editor, no
>moderator, and no owner. This net is owned by all people who love to see
>the prosperous, modernized, democratic, and strong Burma. There will be
>absolutely no censorship at all. Here all little guys, whose voices are
>clamored and unheard on the political arena, can voice their concern,
>attitude, views, ideas, and criticism. Let's make it happen together as a
>powerful and colorful net which will have an impact in the process of
>transforming NEW BURMA. This is "BURMA's OPEN FORUM - LIST" net. This is
>your own net.
>
>[1] Each and every subscriber owns this net. Each and every subscriber
> has the right and duty to make comment and to point out a fellow
> subscriber's usage of rude language. Each and every subscriber has
> the right and duty to judge. No censorship will be imposed. Freedom
> of expression is granted for all with equality and respect.
>
>[2] This net is not only an open forum but also a learning session
> for the community and activists in order to comment, suggest and
> help each other for the progresses of the movement by all possible
> means. This net will serve the community and activists as a network
> in order to find help and advice for all kinds of movement's
> purposes. But, no soliciting, please.
>
>[3] All news and information are welcome. "BURMA's OPEN FORUM - LIST"
> encourages each sender(author) of the news and information to make
> a brief comment on what the author thinks about the posted news and
> information.
>
>[4] Neither moderator nor owner exists for this net. No matter
> what the majority want, none will be kicked out from the net.
> Each individual or group has the right to express his/her or its
> view freely, and every subscriber will judge and discuss the view
> as what to do and how to deal with.
>
>[5] Everyone can subscribe freely and unsubscribe freely from the
> net but all these decisions should be made by oneself.
> Above all, no one's e-mail and posting will be blocked, and
> none will be illegally unsubscribed from the net.
>
>
>---------Forward----------------
>
>Welcome to burma-open-forum-list: New Forum Opened:
>
>Dear Freedom-lovers:
>
>The following forwarded letter is to inform you that you now own your own
>News Server, "Burma-Open-Forum-List."
>
>Read the welcome statement.
>
>This server is owned by the people of Burma.
>If you are committed to freedom struggle of the people of Burma, you
>actually own it.
>
>Kyaw Kyaw Htut
>Indiana
>
>**************************************
>Doing what you like is freedom.
>Liking what you do is happiness.
>***********Read Somewhere in India***********
>========================================================================
>
>---------Forward-----------------
>
>BurmaNews - BC: November 21, 1998 (From postings on the Myakha listserv)
>
>Overzealous monitoring of postings to the BurmaNet (see Peacock editorial
>above) this week led disillusioned contributors to what was previously the
>main forum for Burma news and debate to set up alternative networks for
>those who wished to share their news and views without the interference of
>a censor pencil.
>
>On Saturday, Kyaw Kyaw Htut of Indiana, an impassioned and frequent net
>debater, said that anyone "committed to the freedom struggle of the people
>of Burma" was an "owner" of the Burma-Open-Forum-List that he was putting
>into motion. He promised that there would be "absolutely no censorship at
>all" and invited "all little guys whose voices are clamored and unheard"
>to join in "Burma's Open Net". Although unsaid, it appeared that even
>"little gals" would be welcome to join the "guys" in their debates.
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To: <burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Open-Net" <burma-open-forum-list@xxxxxxx>,
Subject: Clarification for Tun Myint-PeMTint's Smear Campaign:
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:16:36 -0500
Wrong. Terribly wrong!
Read all my letters with clear eyes and conscious minds.
If you find any lines in my previous letters that suggested I am the owner
of this new net, I will make a public apology and pay whatever the anonymous
contributers demand.
For the revolution's sake, don't try to distract me from my dedicated fight
against Burmanet-l censorship with this bogus issue.
Tun Myint and U Pe M. Tin:
Don't you, people, read my postings with clear eyes and conscious minds.
Freedom is not a thing that one can hijack.
Attack me with facts. Don't resort to any cheap tricks like this one. You
got to repay for this.
Reread my previous postings attached.
U Pe M. Tin.
If you are a true historian, please be open-minded and factual in making
intellectual assumptions about Burma political activists.
You have been too ignorant to read what I have written in simple English.
Sensationalism is what historians must learn to discard before they read and
write a history.
You said that I "announced the existence of net without their knowledge, let
alone their consent. Worst
of all, he pretended as he created this net. It makes them sad, frustrated,
and devastated. "
Point out where I wrote in my letters that suggest what you accused me of
being pretentious.
If I am a pretender, you will never see me writing on Burmanet by my real
name, Sir.
Here are the previous letters I have posted to concerned nets about the
emergence of this OPEN-NET, which I know are provided by the people with
open minds. I don't see any reason to believe in your saying that they were
"sad, frustrated, and devasted" even if your accusations against me were
true. Why shouldn't they be sad, by the way? What make you think people
who love freedom of expression will become "sad, frustrated and devasted"
because their effort to promote freedom has been uncovered and made public.
If they would think and feel that way at this hour and at this time, they
would also have to suffer the same always in the future.
Please think twice or more.
Sincerely,
Kyaw Kyaw Htut
Indiana
*****************************************
Doing what you like is freedom.
Liking what you do is happiness.
++++++read somewhere++++++++=
Letter I
=====
Welcome to burma-open-forum-list: New Forum Opened:
Dear Freedom-lovers:
The following fowarded letter is to inform you that you now own your own
News Server, "Burma-Open-Forum-List."
Read the welcome statement.
This server is owned by the people of Burma.
If you are committed to freedom struggle of the people of Burma, you
actually own it.
Kyaw Kyaw Htut
Indiana
**************************************
Doing what you like is freedom.
Liking what you do is happiness.
***********Read Somewhere in India***********
WHY I WRITE THIS: I am reporting as a reporter to the fellow netters.
=====================================================================
Letter II
======
Dear Ko Maung M. Kyaw:
Please refer to your comments.
I totally agree with your comments on all points.
However, I think the idea of bringing up new servers is to ensure freedom of
expression for Burmese netizens.
I don't think that the comrades, who contributed these servers without
mentioning their names, have a desire to compete with Burmanet or
Maykha-list.
Since you may probably know both Burmanet and Maykha have their own
moderators: Strider and Tun Myint. Strider is a mercenary on OSI's payroll
and Ko Tun Myint is one of the co-ordinators of Free Burma Coalition. So is
FreeBurma owned by Ko Zarni, the founder of FBC. These nets surely cannot
be seen separately from the moderators' political affiliation.
Open-Net has no persons nor machines that would temper with your views and
news.
(I think you should help yourselves in both receiving and reading these
messages. I also have the problem of filing duplicate messages for I have
four servers now. To delete is an easy thing to do. I can delete at least
50 messages/minute using pine-mail, an outdated email software. I think it
is a personal problem that most Burmese, who started using computer,
experience.)
WHY I WRITE THIS: I am appreciating the nature of the new Open-Net.
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Subject: Letter to the Editor of Burma News:BC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:08:24 -0500
Editor
Burma News
Dear Madam/Sir:
This is to clerify some confusion, which my Saturday posting on =
Maykha-list might have involuntarily generated about the birth of the =
new news-server, "Burma-Open-Forum-List."
I reposted the original message to Maykha, Burmanet-l and Burmanet2-l =
after I received it from the new server with a minimal addition with =
regard to how the potential subscribers should subscribe to it.
However, with hind sight, I regret that my reporting on this might have =
made you to think I am the one who has put this net "into motion."
According to U Pe M. Tin, I even regret my voluntary reporting about =
this new event, which I welcome with all my heart, make the selfless, =
open-minded group of young contributer of this net "sad, frustrated and =
devastated."
I would notify you here that I do not belong to or own this new press =
entity, directly or indirectly.
Your timely correction to your news circulation about this matter will =
be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Kyaw Kyaw Htut
Indiana
**************************************
Doing what you like is freedom.
Liking what you do is happiness.
***********Read Somewhere in India***********