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Subject: RE: [freeburma] The Burma Group Tuebingen suspends

Thanks to both Anja van Dijk & Heiko Schaefer for sending me private email 
and here are my responds.  Again sorry about misunderstanding.  I am known 
to be a bit cynical.


Beste Anja,
Wil je me vergeven dat ik mijn antwoord in het openbaar heb gegeven.  Ik 
geloof niet dat veel mensen Nederlands spreken.  :-)  Het spijt me als ik je 
beledigd heb.  Ik wilde alleen zijn stommiteit aan de orde stellen.  
Nogmaals, het spijt me.  Het beste.
Groetjes,


Lieber Heiko,
Es tut mir leid.  Ich wollte Dich nicht an den Pranger stellen.  Ich 
versuchte die Gründe darzustellen.  Viele Leute haben nach dem Warum 
gefragt, und die Antwort ist, dass Du Deine Frau dadurch in Gefahr gebracht 
hast, dass Du sowohl ihren Pass als auch ihren Personalausweis auf Deiner 
Webseite gezeigt hast.  (You know very well what I meant!)  Es tut mir leid, 
falls ich Dich verletzt habe.



 >Heiko Schaefer wrote:
 > >
 > > Dear Friends,
 > >
 > > The Burma Group Tuebingen will suspend up to further notice and I
 > > personally will
 > > not take part in any active work for Freedom, Peace and Democracy in
 > > Burma.
 > >
 > > The Reasons: first, the government didn't pressed us to do like this. 
If
 > > they would do, we would never change our mind. It was the Burmese
 > > opposition community with their permanent thinking that my wife is a
 > > MI-Officer. This is nonsense.
 > >
 > > Yes it is true, that my wife War War Min belongs to one of the powerful
 > > families in Burma; she was grown up with the ideas of the SLORC/SPDC,
 > > but she never took actively part in SLORC/SPDC politics. Not in Burma
 > > and not outside of Burma. Even not in the USDA. She was a great help 
for
 > > my work for Burma. Especially the power and the love she gave me. She 
is
 > > also very valuable for me to get an insight of the SLORC/SPDC-ducation
 > > and politics. She was just not able to throw away over 30 years
 > > SLORC/SPDC-Education. Nobody can do this, but she had never a planning
 > > to co-operate with the military.
 > >
 > > Recently I wrote a letter in BurmaNet News - attached to this letter -
 > > there I expressed my feelings. Instead of getting a better situation it
 > > worsened. Now, today I need to hear, that my visiting card contain a
 > > SPDC-word. On my visiting card is standing in Burmese "Myanmarpyitwin
 > > Lutlatchin, NYEINWUTCHIN hnint Dimokaresi atwet Naingngantaka ahpwet"
 > > (International Group for Freedom, Peace and Democracy in Burma). The
 > > Translation was done by me with help of a dictionary from the year 1957
 > > (U Tun Nyein, Students-Dictionary). I´m not a native speaker in Burmese
 > > so I choosed the word NYEINWUTCHIN without knowing that this is 
prefered
 > > by the military government. My wife only knows this word, so she didn't
 > > changed it. Now I hear, that people can think, because of the use of
 > > this word NYEINWUTCHIN I´m collaborating with the government.
 > >
 > > I have to fight a two-fontier war, first against the the military
 > > government at the one side and the Burmese opposition on the other 
side.
 > > Sorry, but for a two-frontier fight I have not enough power. We are a
 > > small group.
 > > In NLD top-positions are also former military members. I wonder why 
they
 > > got the respect of the opposition (including me) and why we don't get
 > > this respect.
 > >
 > > Under the suspect of cooperating with the military government we don't
 > > want to continue our work. We will resume our work first, if we are 100
 > > % sure, that this idea was given up by the opposition.
 > >
 > > I need to say that according to our knowlegde this suspect was breeding
 > > in Germany and spread from there all over the world. I think the people
 > > who start to suspect us know who I mean.
 > >
 > > Regards
 > > Heiko & War War Min Schaefer
 > > --
 > > +========== Burma Group Tuebingen (suspended) ==============+
 > > | Heiko Schaefer                  | heiko@xxxxxxxxxxxxx     |
 > > | Beim Herbstenhof 42             |                         |
 > > | 72076 Tuebingen, Germany        | Tel: ++49 7071 55 25 54 |
 > > +-----------------------------------------------------------+
 > > |              http://www.burmagroup.de/                |
 > > +===========================================================+
 > >             -- PGP-Key on request available! --
 > >
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 > >
 > > Subject: Lack of support within the Burma democracy movement
 > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:33:31 +0200
 > > From: Heiko Schaefer <heiko@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > > Organization: Burma Group Tuebingen
 > > To: Burma Group Tübingen - Mailing List <bgt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
 > > CC: Burma Net News <burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Free Burma Mailinglist 
<free-burma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, freeburma@xxxxxxxxxxx, 
strider@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > >
 > > Dear friends,
 > >
 > > since over two years I'm now active for the Burma democracy movement.
 > > Since over one year I organized my work in the Burma Group Tübingen.
 > > My power to keep working is particular because I have a family who 
lives
 > > in Burma and a wife which strongly want to return to Burma.
 > >
 > > But slowly I run out of power, but not because the Burmese junta is to
 > > strong, no, in opposite, they are weaker than ever before. But instead
 > > of using this situation to press the Burmese government, what are the
 > > Burma Groups are doing? They are fighting each other and never support
 > > each other.
 > >
 > > A billion small groups are ineffective, one big brings the junta to be
 > > afraid. Long time the Burma Group Tübingen tries to organize itself 
with
 > > other groups, but we are permanently excluded from meetings, moreover 
we
 > > are esp. in Germany ignored. They say we didn't achieved something 
which
 > > makes us interesting to co-operate. Of course we can not achieve
 > > something. All my work I need to pay from my own pocket. I'm student 
and
 > > my wife is housewife.
 > >
 > > An example: there was a meeting in Berlin. Announced to me as Burmese
 > > exiles meeting. A list of persons which cre participating in this
 > > meeting I didn't got, also any agenda. But even then we organized"to
 > >"within a very short time a trip to Berlin (we are in the south-west of
 > > Germany and Berlin is north-east, 700 km distance). So we arrived. 
First
 > > the meeting was conducted only in Burmese language, so that I left 
after
 > > the first break. My wife stayed inside up to the end.
 > > I had no chance to participate in the meeting and to express my point 
of
 > > view, but at least I tried to get contacts. We also asked for support
 > > for our group. Finally we left Berlin with the understanding, that this
 > > was more than useless for us. My wives consequence was to boycott any
 > > higher level meetings as long as our group is so much ignored.
 > > I cannot completely agree with this consequence of my wife, but if i
 > > cast a view in our groups money pocket, I see, that it is better to
 > > avoid such meetings.
 > > Up to today we got no more response of none of the participants.
 > >
 > > My work is limited on my mental power. So I published a lot of analyses
 > > in nternet and translated worthy German newspaper articles to English.
 > > Okay, my analyses are in German, but even the Germans ignore it
 > > commentless. My homepage stays permanently unvisited (resp. the most
 > > referers come from a Paper Money site, which linked my page because of
 > > my Burmese bank note collection on my site).
 > >
 > > Moreover I need to hear, that we even get no more invitations to
 > > european meetings. Meanwhile I think often how our movement can get
 > > strong, if even between us is so much ignorance. Burma is not a
 > > international hot topic. Burma is also not Tibet, so at least we should
 > > organize all our groups and we should not count on who has more funding
 > > and who has more done for Burma.
 > >
 > > Is it really neccessary to ignore the smaller (funded) groups until 
they
 > > quit their work for Burma?
 > > I cannot quit my work on Burma, because my family is affected, but it
 > > makes me every day more sad to have no e-mails, an empty mailbox and no
 > > response on my work.
 > >
 > > Regards
 > > Heiko
 > > --
 > > +================== Burma Group Tuebingen ==================+
 > > | Heiko Schaefer                  | heiko@xxxxxxxxxxxxx     |
 > > | Beim Herbstenhof 42             |                         |
 > > | 72076 Tuebingen, Germany        | Tel: ++49 7071 55 25 54 |
 > > +-----------------------------------------------------------+
 > > |              http://www.burmagroup.de/                |
 > > +===========================================================+
 > >             -- PGP-Key on request available! --
 > >
 > > 
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 > >                             Encoding: 7bit
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