Rebels puffing (r)

[hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Dear Galon,
You are right! I regret that I response to them who use filthy words.

With solidarity

Htun Aung Gyaw


>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Freedom Fighters" <galon99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Rebels puffing
>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:25:48 GMT
>
>Dear all activists
>During last week, I found that soe than and susuhuang started posting on
>Burmanet.  Until now, I found that they only posted against all activists.
>They are trying to distract us from our main theme.  They mostly use filthy
>words to provoke us angry and response angrily.  So we may lose our main
>theme.  It has no benefits to discuss with them.  Don't waste your time.
>Let's discuss among our devoted activists for restoration of democracy and
>human rights in Burma.  Don't pay attention to their barking words.  Don't
>response to okkar, soe than, and susuhuang.
>Be ware of Counterrevolutionary forces.
>galon
>
>P.S
>I would like to remind Okkar, Soe Than, Susuhuang
>that you are using the Burmanet which is sponsored by ABSDF.  If you are in
>Burma and you are talking about SPDC like this, you will be in big trouble.
>
>>From: "Sue Huang" <susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx, susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx, bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
>>burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: Rebels puffing
>>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:12:24 GMT
>>
>>oh HAG you are all hot air. puff puff puff.
>>
>>stop puffing and look at facts about embassy.
>>
>>they demand release of political prisoners -- none released
>>
>>they demand nld-spdc dialog -- no dialog
>>
>>they demand parliament to be recognized - no parliament
>>
>>they demand helicopter -- ok, get helicopter, fly away and never mind about
>>democracy demands!!!!!
>>
>>you call that heros? guts? puff puff puff puff puff
>>
>>susu
>>
>>>From: "Htun A. Gyaw" <hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: "Sue Huang" <susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx>, bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
>>>burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: Re: Rebels win, Workers lose
>>>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:07:06 -0400
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you think the seizure of Embassy only produce ten minutes media
>>>attention? Do you think the illegal Burmese workers in BKK are far more
>>>important than the people inside Burma? Do you have an ability to made
>>>this
>>>ten minutes deal? if not, do not insult the people who have guts.
>>>
>>>Htun Aung Gyaw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 02:00 AM 10/07/1999 +0000, Sue Huang wrote:
>>> >hello??? EVERYBODY lose from this stupid embassy attack, indiana.
>>>innocent
>>> >workers hurt, as you say. crackdown on ABSDF and other groups in BKK has
>>> >been announced by thai government. vigorous students made nld look like
>>> >terror-sponsoring group. any hope for early release of rachel goldwyn
>>> >probably gone. bangkok embassy security now upgraded, meaning any
>>>SERIOUS
>>> >long-term occupation, seizure of files etc may no longer be possible.
>>>border
>>> >closed making prices go up in rangoon. whole movement now looks
>>> >disorganized, no leadership. credibility has been lost.
>>> >
>>> >name one positive accomplishment. answer: ten minutes of media
>>>attention.
>>> >big deal.
>>> >
>>> >so, hooray for vigorous students. have guns instead of brains.
>>> >
>>> >susu
>>> >
>>> >>From: Indiana <bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
>>> >>Subject: Rebels win, Workers lose
>>> >>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 07:24:08 +0700
>>> >>
>>> >>Just a note of reality, here amid all the euphoria about getting the
>>> >>world's attention on Burma by a show of physical force in our host's
>>> >>capital city.
>>> >>
>>> >>By some estimates, there are one million undocumented Burmese workers
>>>in
>>> >>Thailand, about half of whom work in Bangkok.  For those of you who
>>>dont
>>> >>know, these undocumented workers are habitually ripped off by their
>>>company
>>> >>owners, abused by their foremen, and harassed by the Thai police.
>>>Without
>>> >>state papers, they have no legal rights at all.  Their children are
>>>often
>>> >>born on the construction work sites, and later they play in the dirt
>>>and
>>> >>the junk piles while their parents mix cement, bend re-bar, and carry
>>> >>bricks, for half the wages of a Thai laborer.  The only reason these
>>>people
>>> >>are in Bangkok, far from their towns and villages in Burma, is simply
>>> >>because it is even worse for them at home.
>>> >>
>>> >>I had spent about six months working with a group of Burmese students
>>>to
>>> >>set up a primary school for these kids at a construction site in
>>>Bangkok.
>>> >>We researched the situation, wrote a project proposal and prepared a
>>>budget
>>> >>which included books, paper, and lunch for the kids.  We sent it out to
>>> >>friends and organizations who we thought might be interested in funding
>>>the
>>> >>school.  We finally heard that it was going to be approved last week,
>>>just
>>> >>before the embassy story hit the headlines.
>>> >>
>>> >>The students who were going to run this school all live at the Maneeloy
>>> >>"safe camp".  But now it looks like easy movement to and from the camp
>>>is
>>> >>over (see story that follows).  If they cannot leave the camp for
>>>Bangkok,
>>> >>there will be no school for the workers' children.  And from the sounds
>>>the
>>> >>Thai government is making, life is going to get even harder for the
>>>workers
>>> >>themselves.
>>> >>
>>> >>I know that everyone wants to go back to Burma.  I know that the
>>>continued
>>> >>presence of the junta there is a disgrace to human society.  I know how
>>> >>frustrated everyone is with the lack of movement in the international
>>> >>community.  I was also glad to see something "real" happen, although I
>>>know
>>> >>that violence is never elegant, nor can it be a solid foundation on
>>>which
>>> >>to build anything long-lasting.
>>> >>
>>> >>But with no collective planning, no coordinated follow-up, no
>>>long-range
>>> >>strategy to use this "aberration" to press our demands home to the
>>> >>international community, it is the weakest people, as usual, who will
>>>bear
>>> >>the brunt of the hostile fall-out that violence always breeds.  I know
>>>in a
>>> >>very personal way what a loss of this school means to the children,
>>>their
>>> >>parents, and to the entire illegal worker population of Bangkok.
>>> >>
>>> >>If the embassy attack gets them all back home to a peaceful Burma
>>>tomorrow,
>>> >>I will be cheering along with the rest.  But if it only makes
>>>conditions
>>> >>worse for them here in Bangkok, then it is they who will be paying the
>>> >>long-term cost for the Vigorous Burmese Student Warriors moment of
>>>glory.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >SHAN HERALD AGENCY FOR NEWS
>>> >> >October 6, 1999
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Thailand wants Myanmar students out of country after hostage crisis
>>> >> >
>>> >> >     BANGKOK, Oct 6 (AFP) - Thailand said Wednesday it planned to
>>>round
>>> >>up
>>> >> >exiled Myanmar students and send them to a third country, after five
>>> >> >student gunmen took almost 40 people hostage at Yangon's embassy
>>>here.
>>> >>In
>>> >> >the wake of the 25-hour hostage crisis, which ended with the gunmen
>>> >>fleeing
>>> >> >Bangkok by helicopter Saturday, Thai authorities met to discuss ways
>>>to
>>> >> >prevent more international terrorism on Thai soil. The National
>>>Security
>>> >> >Council (NSC) said it would round up exiled students inside Thailand,
>>> >>check
>>> >> >their status, and prosecute those found to have entered the country
>>> >> >illegally. All students would then be transferred to the Maneeloy
>>>holding
>>> >> >centre near the Thai-Myanmar Border, and the United Nations High
>>> >> >Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be asked to quickly transfer
>>>them
>>> >> >to a third country.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >     "We will consult with the UNHCR to send an estimated 2,800
>>>Myanmar
>>> >> >students to another country," Khachadpai Burusapatana, NSC
>>> >> >secretary-general told reporters after the meeting top security
>>>agencies.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >     The UNHCR said it had not been informed of the move yet but
>>>would
>>> >> >continue to apply long-standing policies on resettlement.
>>> >> >     "In accordance with established practice we will continue to
>>>promote
>>> >> >resettlement of those refugees who qualify for third country
>>> >>resettlement,"
>>> >> >a UNHCR spokesman said.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >     Interior ministry spokesman Veerachai Naewboonian said students
>>>who
>>> >> >were not accepted by a third country would be repatriated to
>>> >> >Myanmar.  Veerachai said Thailand had already moved to ensure
>>>students
>>> >>were
>>> >> >confined to the Maneeloy holding centre in Ratchburi province.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >     "Authorities will step up rules and regulations at the Maneeloy
>>> >>holding
>>> >> >centre," Veerachai said.
>>> >> >     Despite the crackdown on exiled students, Bangkok denied claims
>>>by
>>> >> >Yangon that refugee camps inside Thailand were being used as
>>>terrorist
>>> >> >bases.
>>> >> >     "On this issue Thailand has a clear cut policy that we will not
>>> >>allow
>>> >> >any groups of terrorists to operate against neigbouring countries
>>>from
>>> >> >inside our country," Khachadpai said.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >     He said Thailand's policy of sheltering 100,000 refugees along
>>>the
>>> >> >Thai-Myanmar border would remain unchanged, but all illegal Myanmar
>>> >>workers
>>> >> >would be repatriated.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >     "We have extended permission for 80,000 to 90,000 Myanmar
>>>workers,
>>> >>but
>>> >> >those who are not granted an extension will be prosecuted for
>>>violating
>>> >> >immigration laws," he said. In addition, Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai
>>>has
>>> >> >instructed police to tighten security at 65 embassies and 10
>>>consulates
>>> >>in
>>> >> >Bangkok. Thai Special Branch Police deputy commissioner Major General
>>> >> >Yothin Matthayanun said his agency would focus on improving security
>>>for
>>> >> >diplomatic missions of neighbouring countries and nations embroiled
>>>in
>>> >> >political disputes, such as Indonesia.
>>> >>
>>> >>
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