Times: Rachel interview : WHAT WOUL

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Subject: Re: Times: Rachel interview : WHAT WOULD YOU DO? FREE JAMES NOW!!!

> 
> Okkar, like i said before, you really are a dumb and poor loser,
> as for rachel, your're kind of people really blackmailed
> and brainwashed her unformed mind. courage, you dont know
> what the word means.
>  hey, we got a saying too, in english, people with bad mouths
>  get them washed out with soap, eat soap okhead, chew it
> ds
> >
    FREE JAMES NOW!!!

> > The fact is Dawn Star has no courage to work for Democracy as Rachel did but too much criticism.
> >
> > For our Burmese people we have a saying left by our forefathers. That is "Lu pyaw ma than - Lu than ma pyaw". It means "The able people do not speech much and the people speech much are not able."
> >
> > ok
> > --
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:35:50   Dawn Star wrote:
> > >comment
> > >check this out on how to go astray today at turn of the century on human
> > >rights activism/
> > >
> > >Goldwyn:  "If I say lots of bad things, they'll think he'll do the same
> > >> and never let him out. I know people are going to criticise me. They can say
> > >> what they like. It's a free country."
> > >
> > >HERE SHE CLEARLY TAKES A POSITION NOT TO UPSET THE REGIME OTHERWISE
> > >COMPLACENT DO NOTHING SUPPORT OF REGIME ; SHE IS CERTAINLY NOT USING HER
> > >FREEDOM TO HELP THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM IN BURMA AS SUU KYI HAS ASKED
> > >PEOPLE TO DO/ SHE IS PLAYING DUMB AND SILENT BECAUSE SHE HAS CUT A DEAL
> > >FOR HER QUICK RELEASE AND IS A VIRTUAL HOSTAGE OF THE REGIME HANDLERS
> > >WHO WILL USE HER TO DISORIENT THE FREE BURMA MOVEMENT OUTSIDE AND ITS
> > >ACTIVISM. IT IS UP TO THE MOVEMENT TO SHOW HOW SHE IS TOTALLY
> > >DISCREDITED AND A PRO JUNTA MOUTHPIECE OF CONSTRUCTIVE ENGAGEMENT / SHE
> > >IS ON PROBATION AND HAS TO PLAY THE GAME NOW FOR THE JUNTA
> > >
> > >>
> > >> LONDON TIMES
> > >> November 9 1999 BRITAINThe woman who tangled with the Burma regime talks to
> > >> Tim Reid
> > >> )
> > >>
> > >> Rachel Goldwyn home again on the banks of the Thames at Barnes, southwest
> > >> London, after being released from jail in Rangoon
> > >> Photograph: CHRIS HARRIS
> > >> Freedom songs protester tells of life in jail
> > >>
> > >> TWENTY-FOUR hours after Rachel Goldwyn had been released from Rangoon's
> > >> Insein jail, after serving only six weeks of her seven-year sentence, she
> > >> was dancing and juggling tennis balls in a karaoke bar 400 miles north of
> > >> the Burmese capital with two enormously relieved parents.
> > >
> > >> It was an utterly bizarre end to six weeks that turned her world on its head
> > >
> > >YOU SEE IT TURNE HER WORLD UPSIDE DOWN BECAUSE SHE DIDNT KNOW WHERE SHE
> > >WAS
> > >
> > >> - from Burmese jail to Burmese bar and back to her family's large
> > >> comfortable home in Barnes, southwest London. Speaking from home, after
> > >> flying into Heathrow yesterday morning, Ms Goldwyn, 28, told the
> > >> extraordinary story of her arrest and interrogation, her weeks of solitary
> > >> confinement, and why she believes that Burmese pro-democracy campaigners are
> > >> wrong to denounce her decision to return there to undertake a
> > >> state-supervised research project as a "shameless betrayal" of the cause.
> > >
> > >STATE SUPERVISED RESEARCH ' GET THAT' JUNTA SCENARIO DO THIS SAY THAT
> > >THINK THIS OR DEAL OVER' REMEMBER SHE CUT A DEAL TO GET OUT AND HAS TO
> > >PAY BACK NOW
> > >
> > >> Far from being an impulsive act, she admitted yesterday that her
> > >> pro-democracy demonstration in Rangoon that led to her arrest had been
> > >> planned for over a year. Her decision came after eight months working in a
> > >> Burmese refugee camp in northern Thailand in 1997.
> > >
> > >EIGHT MONTHS IN A REFUGEE CAMP? WHAT CAMP? WHO DID SHE WORK WITH? WHAT
> > >WAS THE NAME OF THE CAMP? WHERE WAS IT LOCATED? CAN SHE PROVE THIS? AND
> > >SO WHAT? SPIES INFILTRATE MOVEMENTS AND COUNTRIES SPEND YEARS A LIFE
> > >TIME INSIDE/ SHE IS BEING USED BY JUNTA NOW
> > >IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER WHAT SHE DID BEFORE SHE IS DISCREDITED BY HER
> > >RECENT DEAL
> > >
> > >IF SHE PLANNED THIS FOR OVER A YEAR WAS HER DEAL THEN PART OF A RELEASE
> > >AND THIS
> > >SELF PROMOTION PART OF THE DEAL SHE IMAGINED?
> > >
> > >> On August 12 this year, she left the family home with her backpack, telling
> > >> her parents Edward, a television documentary maker, and Charmian, a GP, that
> > >> she was going to Germany. Two days later she was in Rangoon.
> > >
> > >SHE LIED TO HER FAMILY THEN FAMILY COMES AND BAILS HER OUT
> > >SHE IS LYING TO HERSELF AND THE MOVEMENT AND THE JUNTA IS PLAYING WITH
> > >HER LIES AND TIED HER UP
> > >
> > >> A month later on September 7, she woke early, weakened from a two-day
> > >> stomach bug but determined to carry out her plan. "I was a bit nervous. I
> > >> knew I would get arrested, but thought I would just get deported," she said.
> > >
> > >SO SHE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A FAST WAY HOME TO MAKE HEADLINES AND GET
> > >DEPORTED/ THIS IS NOT WHAT DETERMINED ACTIVISM IS ABOUT THIS IS NOT WHAT
> > >WILL CHANGE A REGIME BUT LETS REGIME CLEAN OUT THE STREETS OF LONELY
> > >LOST AND CONFUSED CHILDREN
> > >
> > >> At 5pm she chained herself to a street sign on a busy Rangoon intersection,
> > >> sang songs, displayed banners and shouted slogans, including "Democracy is
> > >> our cause" and "Release all political prisoners", to a crowd of about 600.
> > >
> > >DEMOCRACY IS NOT HER CAUSE SELF PROMOTION AND HEADLINES ONLY
> > >WHAT HAS SHE EVER DONE TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN BURMA EXCEPT BY PROMOTING
> > >HER OWN
> > >HAPLESS SITUTION AND NOW SHE IS GOING TO PLAY JUNTA ROLE IN DRUG
> > >PROPAGANDA WORK BECAUSE THE REGIME KNOWS IT NEEDS TO GIVE WORLD RIGHT
> > >IMAGE ON DRUG ERADICATION TO GET FUNDS AND CREDITS HOW STUPID OF HER HOW
> > >CUNNING OF REGIME /HOW CHEAP OF BOTH
> > >
> > >
> > >> "It lasted 13 minutes.
> > >
> > >ANDY WARHOL WHO I KNEW PERSONALLY /MY ROOMMATE IN NEW YORK WORKED DAILY
> > >AT THE FACTORY / SAID BE FAMOUS FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES/ SHE DIDNT EVEN GET
> > >THAT
> > >
> > >Then four plainclothes officers dragged me off to a
> > >> police station 200 yards away. I was handcuffed and people were taking my
> > >> mugshot. I kept trying to break the tension by sticking my tongue out."
> > >>
> > >HOW DIGNIFIED/ ANYONE GET ANY OF THESE GROTESQUE PHOTOS MAKES ME THINK
> > >OF GANDHI OR SUU KYI. IMAGINE
> > >
> > >She was then taken to an immigration building and interrogated by three
> > >men
> > >> for most of the night and the next day. That afternoon she typed out a
> > >> statement denouncing the regime, human rights violations, its death squads
> > >> and admitting that she had planned her protest for a year.
> > >
> > >HERE SHE IS THE DETERMINE STONG FIGHTER
> > >
> > >> Despite repeated requests and a "screaming row" with one officer, her
> > >> interrogators had failed to contact the British Embassy. "At 4am I announced
> > >> I was going on hunger strike. Three hours later they took me to Insein jail.
> > >
> > >THE HUNGER STRIKER
> > >
> > >> I was taken to a solitary cell, two and a half metres wide, with a wooden
> > >> slat bed, a little plastic bucket and a water pot. By this stage, I hadn't
> > >> eaten anything for five days.
> > >> "They offered meals of boiled egg, rice and fried vegetables twice a day,
> > >> but I refused. They became really worried about my health, taking my blood
> > >> pressure and weight several times a day. I didn't see any torture - they
> > >> wouldn't let me see any, would they? - but I did see people in chains."
> > >
> > >PEOPLE IN CHAINS IN A PRISON? INCREDIBLE MOVING STORY
> > >
> > >> A week after her arrest, Karen Williams, the British Vice-Consul, arrived to
> > >> tell Ms Goodwyn that her parents knew of her arrest. She brought chocolate
> > >> digestives and made her eat them to show the guards the hunger strike was
> > >> over.
> > >
> > >THE EMBASSY BREAKS THE STRIKE AND STARTS SMOOTHING OUT THE PROBLEMS
> > >
> > >Two days later she was tried in the prison compound and sentenced to
> > >> seven years' hard labour for "endangering peace, security and stability". "I
> > >> couldn't believe the sentence. I sat in my cell and cried all night."
> > >
> > >OH THE POOR GIRL AND SHE THOUGHT SHE WOULD BE HOME WITH MUMMIE AND
> > >DADDIE
> > >BUT THE STORY GOES ON? SHE IS NOT ALONE...
> > >
> > >> Meanwhile, her parents in London were plotting a way to free her. They sent
> > >> a fax to the British Embassy imploring their daughter to "toe the line",
> > >> which was later shown to her.
> > >
> > >BE A GOOD GIRL AND DADDY WILL DO EVERYTHING
> > >
> > >> After obtaining visas, they flew to Rangoon five weeks ago for an
> > >> extraordinary VIP reception at the airport, where they were whisked through
> > >> customs and on to a meeting with the Minister for Home Affairs.
> > >
> > >
> > >ITS GOOD TO BE SERIOUS RESPECTFUL LIKE BUSINESSMEN MAKES REGIME LOOK
> > >ALSO SERIOUS AND RESPECTFUL MUST GIVE SERIOUS RESPESCT TO GENERALS NOT
> > >ACT LIKE FREEDOM SINGING POET DEMONSTRATOR FOR DEMOCRACY HOW UNSERIOUS
> > >HOW DISRESPECTFUL DISORDERLY NOT GOOD FOR JUNTA NOT GOOD FOR DADDY NOT
> > >GOOD FOR ............DEMOCRACY
> > >
> > >SO JUNTA CHANGES SCENE CHANGES ACT CHANGES PLAY YOU DO THIS YOU ACT LIKE
> > >THIS
> > >AND NOW IT IS OKAY NO MORE CONFUSION NO MORE SILLY BUSINESS
> > >
> > >It was at
> > >> that first meeting that they suggested a trip around Burma with Rachel so
> > >> that they "could see what the country was really like". That idea became
> > >> reality last week when the group undertook a supervised tour to the
> > >> semiautonomous region of Monglar to look at "counter-narcotic measures".
> > >
> > >OH HOW NICE YES LIKE GUIDED TOUR? HAVE NICE TOURIST TOUR LIKE TOURIST
> > >GUIDE TOUR THROUGH UNITED NATIONS MAKES YOU FEEL IMPORTANT PERSON KNOW
> > >HOW IT IS ON INSIDE SEE HAPPY SMILING PEOPLE OH SORRY HOSPITALS? NOT THE
> > >TIME TO SEE. THE UNIVERSITIES. OH NOT NOW CLOSED STUDENTS NOT SERIOUS...
> > >
> > >> With Ms Goldwyn's parents' daily meetings with the authorities,
> > >
> > >INTEROGATIONS BRAIN WASHING NEGOTATIONS TALK TALK TALK
> > >YES THEY ARE NOW PLAYING ALONG GAME WELL
> > >
> > >
> > >things
> > >> dramatically improved. Soon they were visiting her in jail every other day,
> > >> bringing books and "heaps of food". It was during those heavily monitored
> > >> meetings that Ms Goldwyn proposed the idea of a "research trip" to form part
> > >> of a British master's degree.
> > >
> > >OH TAKE CARE OF BABY NICE GIRL GOOD STUDENT STUDY STUDY STUDY BUT NO
> > >UNIVERSITES OPEN IN BURMA YES GO HOME WITH DEGREE WORK HARD TALK HOW
> > >GOOD BURMA IS TRYIING TO BE
> > >SERIOUS MEMBER NATION OF WORLD COMMUNITY
> > >
> > >> By her own admission yesterday, Ms Goldwyn is still very confused.
> > >
> > >SHE ALWAYS WAS CONFUSED AND STILL IS AND IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A
> > >NERVOUS BREAKDOWN SOONER OR LATER AND SHOULD BE IN THERAPY WHICH SHE
> > >PROBABLY IS GOING TO DO ANYWAY
> > >
> > >At one
> > >> point she said: "You have got to imagine what it was like. You are in a room
> > >> full of people listening to everything you are saying, your parents turn up
> > >> and are desperate to get you out. They were beside themselves. What would
> > >> you do?"
> > >
> > >WHAT WOULD YOU DO? SHUT UP PLAY THE GAME DADDY IS HERE STUPID GIRL. WHAT
> > >DO YOU WANT THIS IS IT JAIL OR FREEDOM. ENGLAND OR BURMA PRISON.
> > >INHERITANCE AND JUNTA DEAL OR
> > >CUT OFF FOREVER. OH THE TERRIBLE STOMACH AND HEAD PAINS. CONFUSED GIRL
> > >SHOULD NEVER HAVE GONE TO BURMA AND NOW KNOWS SHE MADE BIG BIG MISTAKE
> > >
> > >
> > >> But she fiercely defends her decision to recant and return under state
> > >> supervision.
> > >
> > >FIERCELY FIERCELY WHAT WONDER WOMAN DETERMINATION A TRUE MARYTR A
> > >HERO!!! WE LOVE HEROS, TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTER SO STRONG SO EAGER TO DO
> > >GOOD AND LEAD A JOAN OF ARC!
> > >
> > >On her release, she signed an undertaking never to indulge in
> > >> political activity in Burma again.
> > >
> > >AND SHE THEN SIGNED AWAY ALL HER PRINCIPLES NOT UNDER DISTRESS BUT UNDER
> > >ORDER FROM DADDY AND MUMMIE AND CUT THE DEAL WITH JUNTA
> > >
> > >DID SHE RENOUNCE IT UNDER STRESS WHEN RELEASED NO BECAUSE DADDY AND
> > >MUMMIE IN ON DEAL TOO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >As she was discussing this yesterday, her
> > >> sister, Ruth, entered the room with a fax from Burma Campaign UK denouncing
> > >> her "selfish betrayal" of the pro-democracy cause as "utterly shameful".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> "I still want human rights and democracy in Burma," she said. "This is the
> > >> same mission, it's just different tactics.
> > >
> > >SAME MISSION DIFFERENT TACTICS YES YES GOOD JUNTA LIKES THIS DO WORK FOR
> > >FREEDOM AND DEMCRACY COME WITH US WE WILL NOT FOLLOW YOU WE WILL NOT
> > >TRACE YOUR STEPS OR TALK TO PEOPLE YOU TALK TO NO WE NO NOTHING IN BURMA
> > >YOU FREE TO GO AS YOU PLEASE EVEN GO TO PIPELINE SEE WHAT GOOD
> > >DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE IS DOING FOR BURMA YES GAS GOES TO THAILAND NOT
> > >BURMA NO PROBLEM WE LOVE THAI PEOPLE SO GIVE GAS TO THEM TOO OUR PEOPLE
> > >DO NOT NEED OR WANT GAS OR RESOURCES WE HAVE TOO MUCH ANYWAY AND DONT
> > >KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT ALL THANKS TO BRTISH AND FRENCH NOW WE KNOW
> > >
> > >If I feel the trip is a waste of
> > >> time, that the authorities are manipulating me totally, I can always come
> > >> back and walk away from it. But it is an avenue that has to be explored. I
> > >> think I have achieved a lot already. I've put human rights in Burma on the
> > >> map for a lot of people in Britain."
> > >
> > >YES YES ME RACHEL DID SO MUCH FOR BURMA PUT BURMA ON MAP FANTASTIC NO
> > >ONE KNEW ABOUT BURMA BEFORE NOT MANY NOW ME AND JUNTA WE PUT BURMA ON
> > >MAP TOGETHER AND SHOW HOW MUCH BETTER BURMA IS TOGETHER WONDERFUL COME
> > >BACK AGAIN ANY TIME DONT FORGET DONT LOOK BACK LOOK FORWARD TOMORROW
> > >TOGETHER GREAT FUTURE FORGET STUPID SILLY PAST LITTLE GIRL TOMORROW YOU
> > >BIG GREAT BIG  BEAUTIFUL WOMAN WITH BURMA WE LOVE RACHEL GOLDWYN AND
> > >DADDY
> > >
> > >> Ms Goldwyn and her family are in talks with the School of Oriental and
> > >> African Studies, part of London University, about the possibility of
> > >> studying anti-drug measures in Burma as part of a one-year master's degree.
> > >> The move has been sanctioned by the Burmese Government.
> > >
> > >FULL GOVERNMENT SUPPORT OH HOW WONDERFUL AND NOW PROBABLY WILL HAVE
> > >BACKING OF BRITISH GOVRENEMNT AND BURMESE GOVT MAY EVEN WORK FOR BRITISH
> > >FOREIGN OFFICE HOW WONDERFUL CAN PROMOTE ERADICATION PROGRAM CAN PROMOTE
> > >BRITISH BUSINESS CAN PROMOTE JUNTA REFORMS
> > >
> > >> She said she was also acutely aware of not criticising the regime for the
> > >> sake of James Mawdsley, another British pro-democracy demonstrator, who was
> > >> jailed in September in Burma for 17 years.
> > >
> > >ACUTELY ACUTELY YES EVEN THOUGH JAMES DOESNT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH
> > >RACHEL SHE HAS THE AUDACITY AND LACK OF SHAME TO MENTION HIM IN THE
> > >CONTEXT OF NOT CRITICIZING THE REGIME WHEN HE IS THE DETERMINED ACTIVIST
> > >AND SHE IS CHEAP IMPOSTURE
> > >
> > >
> > > He has shown no wish to negotiate his release.
> > >
> > >"If I say lots of bad things, they'll think he'll do the same
> > >> and never let him out.
> > >
> > >AND SHE HAS AUDACITY TO SPEAK FOR HIM AND EVEN ENTER HIS MIND THIS IS
> > >JUNTA LOGIC AND JUNTA MANIPULATION IT IS POISON IN HER BRAIN  SHE IS NOW
> > >NOT TO BE TOUCHED BY FREE BURMA MOVEMENT WHO WANTS HER SURELY TO USE
> > >MEDIA AND EVEN GO ON SPEAKING TOUR SIGN PUBLISHING DEALS USE FOREIGN
> > >MEDIA YES YES YES THIS IS GOOD FOR RACHEL GOOD FOR JUNTA
> > >
> > >I know people are going to criticise me. They can say
> > >> what they like. It's a free country."
> > >
> > >LIKE IN BURMA FREE COUNTRY GENERALS LET ME GO DO WHAT I WANT WHERE I
> > >WANT LIFE IS WONDERFUL WHEN YOU TALK TO THE GENERALS....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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